Big Pharma & Big Food Pay Off NAACP to Feed Poor Kids Poison





Liz dives into the politics of food, and she poses a thought experiment to ask if Big Pharma would believe a cure for cancer and Alzheimer’s exists without more information. Many media sources are attempting to create a divisive paradigm in which society sees white individuals as more healthy and Black individuals as less healthy, but this is not the case. This is simply a blatant attempt to antagonize racial tensions, when there should not be any. It distracts from the overall epidemic of obesity afflicting society regardless of ethnicity and race, and it needs to be addressed from a medical and scientific perspective, rather than a political one. Big Pharma has been stoking the fires of an anti-fat, anti-black, politically correct narrative for their own profit.

Soda companies and processed food companies spend 11 times more on nutritional research than the NIH, leading to the food pyramid and the Tufts NIH food study. Civil rights groups used a three-pronged strategy to lobby government officials to label people who oppose sugar as racist. This strategy was used to shift the debate in favor of food stamps spending and label them as patriarchal. The food health system is being poisoned by a rigged system, and the health care system is profiting from it. Big Pharma is pushing injectable obesity cures, but they are not solving the problem.

The American Academy of Pediatrics is recommending that children as young as two and three years old be given drugs and surgery for obesity instead of changing their nutrition and diets. This suggests that elite research institutions and peer-reviewed studies should be seen as public relations efforts rather than trusted and objective scientific analysis. Food companies are paying billions of dollars for nutrition research to advance non-ideological scholarship, which is allocated towards Big Pharma and the media. This has led to 40% of kids between 5-12 being obese and a new field of obesity medicine.

Nutrition research in the United States is funded by processed food companies and is contributing to the chronic disease crisis. Processed grains are subsidized by the government through food stamps and subsidies, leading to added sugar, seed oils, and inflammatory illnesses. The U.S. has a rigged market where food companies hold significant lobbying power, leading to toxic food and unhealthy medical care. We are subsidizing food that is costing us trillions of dollars and eroding the soil and nutrient density of our food, leading to the degradation of our brains and bodies. Big Pharma and Big Food work together to create a rigged food and drug system that profits those at the levers of power.

Show Transcript

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Hi guys. Welcome to The Liz Wheeler Show. You can tell that I’m excited about this show probably because I’m smiling. This is, I am so excited about this show. Before we get started, if you haven’t subscribed to the show already, please do so. On Apple podcast or Spotify, click that subscribe button. If you like the video version of the show, please go to or  

Hit those subscribe buttons on YouTube. Hit that bell so that I can notify you when I have a new episode, a new interview, a new video. We have tons of new content all the time, really appreciate you guys doing this. Okay, so what are we going to talk about today, I just had the most interesting conversation. If you thought I don’t even know how to preface this, if you thought that Big Pharma was corruptly in bed with like the CDC and the NIH and Fauci and even the FDA, if you thought Big Pharma was corruptly invented CDC, wait until you hear about Big Food.  

Now yes, the politics of food is what we’re going to talk about today, and the way that I’m going to explain this or preface this conversation is by posing a thought experiment to you, and here it is. What if I told you that there was a way to prevent cancer and a way to prevent Alzheimer’s. Would you believe me?  

And I want you to sit there and you’re listening to what I’m saying right now and I want you to honestly say in your mind, well yes, I would believe her, or I don’t know no, I don’t know that I would believe that without more information. Okay, you have that answer in your mind. Now, let me ask you a second question. If Big Pharma told you that there was a way to prevent cancer, and that they had a way to prevent Alzheimer’s, would you believe Big Pharma? Do the same thing in your mind. I bet this time you’re like yeah, I would believe them if there was finally a cure for cancer, if there was a cure for Alzheimer’s, I would I would cheer.  

I would be so excited. My third question is, why would you believe Big Pharma versus believing facts and science? This is what we’re going to talk about today. The larger picture here we’ve talked about this a little bit on the show the last couple days, the last couple weeks, is that there is this cultural idea or this cultural narrative. It’s becoming quite pervasive that you cannot, you cannot comment on someone else’s obesity. Now I’m not talking about walking down the street and pointing to a fat person and saying hey you fatty, go for a run.  

I’m talking about even in a health care situation, it’s becoming politically incorrect for doctors to say hey you, you’re obese or you’re overweight, and that that leads to serious health problems and you need to lose weight in order to be healthy. There’s this movement right now called health at every size, they abbreviate it H-A-E-S, that wants to make obesity, or wants to take obesity off the table in any kind of health care or conversation. So you go to your doctor, and your doctor doesn’t focus on your weight. Your doctor focuses on every other problem that you have probably begotten of the obesity.  

But the obesity is not to be touched simultaneously with the health at every size narrative that we see in our culture. It’s the Left taking it a step further saying that if you do talk about obesity, then you are anti-fat. I don’t know what that’s supposed to mean. It’s not anti the person it’s anti the health condition. But the Left says if you are anti-fat, then you are anti-black. We talked about this last week on the show with that that video of the girl saying that that anti-fat is anti-black because it means that you are advocating for adjacency to whiteness, as if all white people are thin which is false, as if all black people are fat, which is also false. Ridiculous. Obesity is a health condition.  

We established that. But the epidemic of obesity and the ramifications of that are ignored in our culture. Now you might be thinking, okay Liz, this is boring. I’m not here for a nutrition lecture. Wait until you get wait until you hear about the politics of the thing. So the politics of the thing, the corruption behind what’s happening in our nation that’s hurting people is just as political as Big Pharma’s being in bed with Fauci and the CDC and the FDA. The lobbyists specifically have been stoking the fires of this of this anti-fat is anti-black health at every size politically correct narrative for their own profit, for the profit of Big Food and the profit downstream for Big Pharma.  

Now let me give you a specific example here before we dive into it. You might have seen all the controversy about Ozempic that’s this supposedly miracle cure drug for obesity. There’s controversy because there are a lot of people that are like oh wow, this is amazing, this is this is great. But there are a lot of people that are like wait a second, there’s something wrong with this drug. There’s side effects to this and that’s you’re not getting the whole story before you get on this drug. We’re going to talk about all of that and more right now. Let’s do it.  

So with me now is Calley Means. He’s the co-founder of TrueMed. But that is not what he has always done. He used to be a political operative. He used to consult actually for soda companies. In 2011, he consulted for Coca-Cola to help keep Coca-Cola included in SNAP benefits. So we’re going to talk about this whole thing with him. Calley good to see you. Thanks for joining me. Thanks Liz. Okay Calley, you have a really interesting background and I want to talk a little bit about that particularly as it ties 

(06:42) in with the larger conversation that we’re having about sugar, but specifically the sugar in soda. So soda is the number one purchase item food item on food stamps. You say that you were in the room when Coca-Cola wanted to keep this keep keep themselves keep Coca-Cola included in in in food stamps in 2012. Can you tell us about that? 

Yeah, this is a huge issue just on its face because 25% of kids now have pre-diabetes, which is decimating our human capital, our children. I think it’s also instructive of what pharma, soda, other companies do to rig the system today. But yeah, they wanted to keep, it’s the number one item on food stamps, 110 billion dollar government program. They wanted to keep it that way. That obviously makes no sense, you know, sugar water just no nutritional value, just goes directly to causing diabetes.  

And but how did they keep it that way? It’s it’s a three-legged stool that I saw and again I think this is being weaponized today. But it’s all around weaponizing institutions of trust. So I was actually in the room with Coke executives and the NAACP, the really the oldest one of the most prominent civil rights organizations. And it was a quid pro quo. It’s we’re going to give you millions of dollars, you the NAACP call our opponents racist.  

In this case, and there’s contemporary reporting the New York Times around 2012, the NAACP said that parents who are concerned about their kids drinking you know and ingesting 100 times more sugar than they did 100 years ago were racist and classist, and it was an unrelenting campaign that shut down debate. We also went and paid off think tanks from the Heritage Foundation to leading thing takes on the Left. It was then it’s transactional. You know I was ordering a hamburger McDonald’s.  

You just go in and order that study and the Heritage Foundation, which you know I interned with I interned early in my you know in college. And it is the gold standard conservative think tank, it was disheartening to see that as really just a pay-to-play org, that you just go in very transactional. And the third and I actually think most most important is research institutions. It was it was shocking that really research strategy for leading institutions the United States was being dictated by public relations offices in Washington, D.C. There are lists of hundreds of professors who are friendly for various causes.  

And in this case, soda companies and processed food companies spend 11 times more on nutritional research than the NIH. And this has been an absolute disaster. You know, the food pyramid, the terrible guidance that’s I believe has led to millions of unnecessary and early deaths in the 1990s, was based on Harvard research that was paid for by the Sugar Foundation it was called at the time.  

And up until today the leading guidance from the NIH right now, the Tufts NIH Food Compass, millions of dollars of government funding, also funded by food companies, called the most comprehensive nutrition study ever conducted is saying lucky charms is three times healthier for breakfast than eggs.  

So this would be funny if it wasn’t impacting our children, and it’s not a good situation for our kids right now. No ,this is, I have so many questions because this is such interesting information. So to recap, I want to make sure that I have this right. You you consulted for soda companies, who wanted to make sure that soda was kept part of SNAP benefits.  

SNAP is the number one item purchased on food stamps. And they had a three-pronged strategy to lobby to lobby government officials. That was to use civil rights groups they, so tell me about that. How what do you mean when you say use civil rights groups? Did they did they specifically go to the NAACP and say, we know that sugar is unhealthy specifically and it affects disproportionately people of lower income because who use SNAP benefits, but we want you to tell people who oppose sugar that they’re racist?  

Yeah you know, when you step back it’s it’s really not that complicated. When you call someone a racist, it shuts down and stunts the debate a little bit. And you know I was very junior at the time, and it was, hey Calley, put together a list. We identified African-American pastors, we identified the Hispanic Federation, we identified the NAACP, and these groups unfortunately and specifically the ones I named, the Hispanic Federation and the NAACP, in the case of Coke, who were extremely transactional.  

It was it was we are going to pay you and then to meet the meetings in the room, they said the quiet part out loud. It was we need to shift the debate in our favor. We need to get these, you know we need to have Coke kept in food stamps spending. We need to label them as patriarchal. The people saying that we should not be paying for sugar water, we need to label them as patriarchal. We need to label them as racist. And and there was unrelenting campaigns.  

I mean in my Twitter thread, you had a link to the New York Times in 2012 where it was kind of a shocking article to read in the New York Times, painting the strategy. You know this is happening. Up until today I mean you have Nestle and processed food companies that just came out paying you know leading civil rights and body inclusivity Tik Tok performers right to say that you can be healthy at any size, and it’s racist to talk to people about not eating sugar, not eating unhealthy food. That that’s happening today.  

So were these civil rights organizations like the NAACP, were they duped? Meaning were they not aware that the studies that said that sugar is not that bad were false? Or were they literally okay with trading their integrity just for money to say whatever they to say whatever you wanted them to say? Yeah, so the issue I’m very passionate is the food health system, and I you know I think what was happening is we’re systematically being poisoned by what’s in our food which is the result of a rigged system, and then the healthcare system which is the largest industry and fastest growing industry in the United States is profiting. 

And what I’ve seen from both working inside as a consultant now trying to change those incentives is one of the biggest tricks the system’s played is most people do and can justify in the seat that they’re doing an okay thing. I mean it is literally like you know the coke executive saying, well you know this is calories for the kids you know. We these kids need the Coke, it’s a treat. And and we need to call them racist. So it’s a very transactional strategy and it’s very quid pro quo, that this money. But you know, the system acts in a way where you know maybe the people, the NAACP were feeling like they were protecting choice, even though of course this is a rigged system where over 10 billion dollars a year of government nutrition money is going to soda. 

I don’t think anyone or many go to bed at night thinking they’re evil. I think it’s very subtle you know what happens in these rooms. You know I think that you know Pharma companies now trying to push injectable miracle obesity cures on 40% of U.S. Teens probably think they’re helping kids with obesity, although they’re not solving the problem and not asking why so many kids are obese. Everyone can I think justify what they’re doing at the time, but when you zoom out, this is rot, devastation, particularly on lower income folks.  

I’ll just say a stat, a man in this country in the lower socioeconomic bracket dies 15 years younger than a man at the richest end of the socioeconomic bracker, and that’s almost entirely because of nutrition and this rigged system that regrettably the NAACP really contributed to here in this case. I mean, this is 15% of Americans depend on this program for nutrition. It’s shocking, and what you mentioned these children that are being injected with so-called anti-obesity drugs.  

It’s not just the NAACP the American Academy of Pediatrics we talked about this on the show last Friday. Actually, the American Academy of Pediatrics is now recommending for children as young as two and three years old that they’re given drugs and potentially surgery for obesity instead of and some type of intensive therapy for their family, versus changing their nutrition and changing their diets. Okay, so talk to me about the academic institutions. 

I understand why Coke would do this. I understand the quid pro quo. I mean, people do bad things for money. I understand why the NAACP would do this. They’re sacrificing their integrity, their principles. Academic institutions and studies about the bad and the terrible side effects of sugar. What would tell me about first the corruption and then I guess after that we’ll get to the motivation behind it. 

Yeah, because I think the motivation’s a little bit a little bit trickier, and I think what makes this complicated is we all know professors we all know doctors. They’re often good people individually. But the corruption is undeniable, and the result is evil, in my opinion. I believe and I think the data shows that Elite research institutions and peer-reviewed studies very often should be seen much more as PR documents for special interest rather than these trusted things. 

I think I think Americans on the Left and the Right, we get duped when we see on the news that there’s a new peer-reviewed study. I can say a peer-reviewed study you’ve got to be asking who chose the question and who chose how that study is being structured. We can have a study say anything. And literally up until previous you know several years, we still had studies coming out of universities saying sugar doesn’t cause obesity. Which is absurd on its face.  

We have right now you know studies, like leading nutritional studies, from the chair of the White House conference on the White House conference of nutrition saying that Honey Nut Cheerios are healthier than beef. And that’s a study funded by processed food makers. It’s naming the processed foods by name, saying Cheerios are healthier or as healthy as quinoa. So you know this is it’s just it’s just rank, it’s just like step back, let’s take a motion out of it, food companies are paying billions of dollars for nutrition research.  

They’re not doing that out of some philanthropic goodwill you know to advance non-ideological scholarship for nutrition. They want something. When companies spend billions of dollars, they want something. You know and this obviously goes to Pharma, and I’m glad you’ve talked about Ozempic, this miracle obesity drug, which to me is tragic because it’s the result of this right ten years later. We have 40 percent of kids between 5 and 12, according to the CDC in 2021, 40% are obese. And now we have a miracle cure that all the arms of academia, all the arms of the media are pushing.  

Now again, just to unpack the incentives, the media that’s pushing this, 60 Minutes which just ran a shameful expose to support this, 50% of their funding at least comes from pharma and food, and then there is a massive you know financial incentive among providers, this new field of obesity medicine which didn’t exist. Now there are tens of thousands if not more obesity clinicians. This is a lifetime injection right? You need it every single week. It’s a lifetime of appointments. 

There’s a clear economic incentive. And university research and medical schools themselves depend on an innovation-based system. If people are healthy, they fundamentally don’t make money. Every lever in our health care system depends on people being sick, depends on interventions. That’s how 95% of healthcare spending is generated, interventions on sick people. So I call this Devil’s bargain. We’ve made kids really sick. We’ve made adults very sick with our food system and the changes there. And then the healthcare system has just grown and profited and stood silent on why people are actually getting sick.  

So you went to Harvard. You’re Harvard grad and you’re a Stanford grad. And you talk about these Harvard studies on sugar, which essentially said that sugar is not the problem. I believe, you can correct me if I’m wrong here, but I believe they tried to point the finger at fat and not sugar to be their scapegoat here, but are were these studies just plain ordinary rigged? The people that were conducting them knew that they were methodologically faulty, knew that they were inaccurate? 

Yes, so in the 1990s as we all remember the food pyramid, there’s increased arguments that might be the single most deadly and costly public policy decision in the history of the United States. It has directly led to trillions of dollars of downstream costs for the United States taxpayer. And yes, as you said, it argued you remember the base that pyramid was carbohydrates, and that’s contributed to our cells being overloaded with at least a hundred times more glucose sugar, which is what they use for energy than it they were 100 years ago, which has led to mass cellular dysfunction which has led to 50 of American adults having pre-diabetes or diabetes 93 of Americans being metabolically dysfunctional.  

Our cells are literally malfunctioning, which is which is the underpinning of the chronic disease crisis right now, where 60% of Americans have some kind of chronic disease, and life expectancy is declining in a sustained way for the most sustained period of time since 1860. It’s been going down for six years, which is unprecedented and really kind of crazy when you think about it. So so yeah, the Harvard study that led to that disastrous policy, you can look look into that. It was rank corruption. The Sugar Foundation funded it. The head of the Harvard nutrition lab was completely bought off. And yeah, I’m a Harvard grad, but I will say this very clearly. 

There is blood a lot of blood on on the Harvard nutrition department for funding that. You’d think that’d be over, but it’s going up until today. Now I’m actually in touch with, I’m actually have been reached out to on this on this Twitter tirade that I’m on by some leading nutritionists and people that are putting these studies that are paid for millions of dollars by food companies. I can say pretty definitively, I think they look in the mirror and are good people. I think in many degree, they’re motivated for the right reasons.  

They’ve achieved a lot of success in the academic realm. They’ve devoted a lot of their lives to research. It is an incorrigible fact that nutrition research in this country and the nutrition research they’re conducting and this leading NIH study from Tufts is funded millions of dollars by food companies. You know it is rank corruption on its face, not even getting to the motivations. But it these are funded by processed food companies and are weaponized food. 

And again ,70% of the U.S. Diet is processed food. What is that it’s added sugar, which is being subsidized by the government through crazy things like the food stamps and subsidies. It’s seed oils, the fat standards have led to these cheap seed oils, which didn’t even exist 100 years ago, are now one of the top sources of American calories, very inflammatory, come more and more is coming out how disastrous they are for the human body, and then processed grains.  

We subsidize grains tens of billions of dollars a year through very corrupt practices, and the process part, which is a new phenomenon, takes that fiber out, which basically makes that grain a sugar bomb. It just it just hits our bloodstream, the fiber blunts the sugar, but but taking that out makes it shelf stable, and it’s really the basis of our diet, these processed grains. Look on any label. It’s the flower, it turns right into sugar, so our food’s been weaponized ,and it’s direct line to a rigged system.  

I think it’s interesting because your Twitter account, by the way, let me mention that first. Anybody who wants to follow Calley on Twitter, highly recommend. This is actually how we got connected is because I saw your viral thread. His Twitter account is .it’s spelled c-a-l-l-e-y-m-e-a-n-s, Calley Means. I highly recommend that you guys follow him. I want to ask you about your mathematical Twitter thread in a minute, but first I want to talk just a second about some observations that seem to be getting more and more prevalent on Twitter.  

I don’t know if you guys have seen this, you’ve probably seen this Calley, where people are talking about Americans are talking about how if they go to Europe on a vacation, they say I eat tons of pasta, I drink tons of wine, all I’m doing is vacationing I’m not exercising, and I come back weighing 10, 15 pounds less than when I left America, which doesn’t make sense given that I went and all I was doing was eating and drinking, and the obvious the obvious inference there is that okay, well there’s something different about the food in America versus the food that they’re eating in these European countries, specifically Italy, France, areas that maybe Greece, areas that you would go to vacation and that food would be maybe your primary thing.  

What is the difference between food in America and food in Europe? Yeah, I’ll take it back to what really resonated on Twitter and my experience on the rig system, and I just want to put a little bit of context here, Liz, I’m a I’m a free market guy. You know for a long period of time you know, I defended the U.S. food system as great innovation, and I said anyone who wanted a question or tell our food companies what to do are being very patriarchal.  

Here’s a key thing I think that was a real journey for me, I think it’s important for everyone to understand. We don’t have a free market right now. We have a rigged market. Pharmaceutical companies, which are now actually owned food companies as well and food companies, are two of the largest lobbying Spenders and what do they get we have this toxic food. The way we literally process food. The way we take those grains and rob it of any nutritional value, right?  

That is not done in Europe. It makes the it makes the food the majority of the food that we eat stay on the shelves for years, but it’s robbed of any nutritional value and the second that heads the bloodstream turns into sugar, overwhelms ourselves with glucose, and that’s just not how it’s done. Europe, right, spends many many places spend about 12,13% on food. We spend about six seven percent on food. 

But of course, you see the graphs on health care. We’re paying for that five times over on our health care expenditures. Again, this is because of a rigged system. The food companies want their food cheap. The health care companies, which have no incentive people to be healthy actually have every incentive for people to be sick, stand silent. So it leads to things. It leads to things like crazy grain subsidies. I mean what public policy insanity are we doing to subsidize corn, which turns into high fructose corn syrup and grains, which are decimating our bodies and then costing trillions of dollars of downstream health effects?  

We are subsidizing the food that’s costing us trillions of dollars down the road. Europe’s not doing that. Additionally, and I think this is very important, you know you dive into this, and you know environmentalism you know hasn’t been my issue, you know I think a lot of people are talking about that hasn’t been my issue. But you go down to the hundreds of substances we put on our food that are outlawed everywhere else in the world 

(26:17) and what that’s doing to our soil, what that’s doing to the nutrient density of our food. A tomato, for instance, in Italy has 50 percent more nutrients than a tomato an organic tomato in the United States. Like many times it’s an order of magnitude, more actual like nutrients in the food because our soil and all the stuff where this literal poison we’re putting on our food is eroding the soil and the nutrient density of food. So this isn’t a nanny state situation to say we should be looking into this.  

And I think I’m very encouraged, Liz. I’m encouraged you’re looking into this, Fox News has been covering it every night, you know to me this is actually it’s a bipartisan issue, but you know it’s an issue conservatives should be really caring about. These rigged system is hurting our first order issue. Like there’s nothing more important from a public policy perspective what’s happening to our brains our perception of the reality of our perception of the world.  

Our brains and bodies, particularly our kids are being degraded by this food system, and then pharma’s only profiting. They’re only trying to give you know more drugs, more injections to kids, not actually saying what’s going on.  

Yeah, so so so this is the just the how I tie it to the to the pharma thing, and I think there’s rightfully you know this growing distrust. I don’t know how it became a political virtue in in many circles to blindly trust pharma companies, but they are not worthy of our trust. You know, the medicalization of chronic disease over the past four years has been a disaster. The more SSRIs we prescribed, the more we get depressed. The more stands we prescribe, the more heart disease goes up. But now we’re being told there’s a miracle cure for obesity that literally in the American Academy of Pediatrics, they credential pediatricians.  

They can take away their license. It’s on the website, fully funded by Pharma, the vast majority of their funding. And they say every kid that’s obese should have this drug. But the key point about this drug, and the key thing the reason our chronic disease treatments aren’t working and we and disease keeps popping up, is because if a kid takes that drug, even if it works and reduces their appetite and lose a little bit of weight, if they’re continuing to eat those seed oils, if they’re continuing to that sugar, if they’re if they’re still eating this poisonous, terrible food that you mentioned that’s really doing something weird, that’s still inputting poison into their bodies, even if they’re eating less of it.  

And that’s going to lead to other chronic conditions. If your body, your fundamental fuel of your body is not changing, even if you’re eating less, right. That’s why chronic conditions and comorbidities are going up. So I can guarantee you, this drug is not going to long-term reduce chronic disease or probably even obesity. And another alarming thing is that you have to stay on it, according to the label, for your entire life, weekly injections, or you have mass metabolic issues, which we don’t even know about because it’s messing with your metabolism, and as you take it you have gastrointestinal issues.  

We’re going to have a mass increase in depression among teens if this drug gets out because gastrointestinal issues, and this is another thing our system just doesn’t look into, serotonin, which regulates our happiness, is made in the gut. 95% of it. Like like if we have if you have gut issues IBS all these gastrointestinal issues, it’s highly correlated with depression, and that’s exactly what’s happening with Ozempic. So I’m just trying to speak out. I’m glad other people are because it’s a tragedy, a rigged food system and now these miracle cures. And I think it’s a battle of our time right now.  

It’s a circular firing squad is what it is. Yeah, it’s a circular firing squad. Let me go back to what something you said I want to ask you a little bit more about how Big Pharma and Big Food work hand in hand, but before we get to that I want to ask you a question. It’s actually for my own benefit. So you’re talking about the Tomato comparison between the United States and organic tomato in the United States and a tomato in Europe and how there’s 50 percent more nutrients in a tomato in Europe, and we’re not even talking about non-organic, you mentioned specifically an organic tomato, does this is this the same if you grow a tomato in your own garden?  

Are you just talking about the soil nutrients in in a farm that’s going to bring their product to market, or is that true for all the soil in the United States now? Yeah, I think this is apps I this is why I think it’s just the key bipartisan issue. You know years ago was I never thought I’d be watching a documentary called Kiss the Ground, about soil health. I recommend everyone on Netflix goes on this documentary. You know our practices are completely and utterly rigged, crony capitalist practices, are systematically decimating the soil in the United States, period.  

So maybe you could create the right environment to grow a slightly better tomato, but you know there’s studies on this and my co-founder of my new company is very passionate about this. I actually recently said he wanted you this is probably the most under discussed issue in nutrition. The nutrient density of our crops are dramatically decreasing, and our soil is just drying up because of various things like mono cropping. This documentary goes more into it.  

But I think peeling that back, right, becoming a little bit more curious about what’s going in our body, you know, I think the American patient has been absolutely gaslit over the past 40 years to trust the science, to not ask any questions, to not have some curiosity about the things we’re putting in our body, to not have some curiosity about all these miracle cures. This is not working. We are going to go bankrupt as a country. We all know the statistics, but it but it’s worth repeating. It’s 20% GDP now of Healthcare spending. It’s growing at an increasing rate it’s going to be 40% in 15 years. 

It’s not getting better. We’re not going to drug our way out of the situation. So conservatives, liberals across the spectrum, we need to start looking at our soil health. We need to start looking at the food we’re putting into our bodies and start thinking about that health care money, those trillions of dollars to spend on health care, how do we incentivize actual things that keep us healthy instead of band-aids that aren’t?  

I suspect that’s where it becomes political, though, because the politicians that would enjoy political benefit from having a health care system that’s overwhelmed or those who want us to go towards a socialized health care system, that might be a conversation for a different day because this conversation is for everybody. But talk to me talk to me specifically about how Big Food and Big Pharma coordinate, because it can’t be just a coincidence that Big Pharma looks at what Big Food is doing and says oh, you know what, I think this might be the side effect and we’ll create a miracle cure. What is the coordination? 

Yeah, I think the biggest dynamic here right is that we kind of implicitly trust healthcare institutions to keep us healthy. That that would be our assumption I think, a reasonable assumption, that the NIH, doctors, hospitals, you know any any health entity. The American Academy of Pediatrics, their goal is to keep people healthy. That is not what they’re doing. Their goal is to advance their industry. So I think I think where the biggest criminal like I think potential criminal, but but certainly disastrous ethical and moral and societal component here, is that there’s absolute silence from the medical establishment.  

Again, from med schools to the American Diabetes Association, which was funded millions of dollars by Coke and had Coke on their website of the American Diabetes Association, and said until 2018 that you didn’t have to modulate your diet on diabetes as long as you took your drugs, which is just crazy. The institutions of trust, through some of the tactics I described, have been corrupted, and just one example there that I think is is compelling, is 80 percent of medical schools in the United States today do not require their doctors to graduate with a single nutrition class.  

Harvard Stanford on down do not require a nutrition class. So when your doctor is telling you oh eat some fruits and vegetables, just very you know very haphazard advice, that’s all they know. They’re actually trying to give you advice, but they haven’t learned nutrition, even doctors who focus on obesity or diabetes. So I think it’s the silence. I think it’s the silence.  

You also have an interesting dynamic where you literally have food and health companies merging you know the Monsanto Bayer thing, the Monsanto, which really is responsible for a lot of the chemicals that aren’t allowed anywhere else in the world that have hurt our soil, now owns you know Bayer, a health company. So they’re really getting people on both ends, which is which is I think particularly egregious.  

It kind of reminds me of how what’s happened during COVID, right, with the CDC and the FDA obviously in bed with Big Pharma. Even if you can’t paint a direct line, you can paint an indirect line to exactly how these bureaucrats, while they’re while they’re in the administrative state, make decisions that benefit Big Pharma and then they cash out to Big Pharma as soon as they step out of the public sector. I think that’s the same thing, too. The other thing on your Twitter that I want you to talk about today is Alzheimer’s. Alzheimer’s is, without a doubt, an epidemic in our country.  

I mean, I hardly know anyone who hasn’t had a grandparent who has suffered, man perhaps died, my own grandfather died of Alzheimer’s. You talk about how this is highly correlated with sugar, which is not something you’re going to hear from doctors from the medical establishment. Talk to me about this. Yeah I actually you know I think you just taking that to what you said earlier you can draw a line.  

You know with the NIH with the funding and the FDA, a lot of the decisions both on funding and approval for drugs and where the FDA is focusing, is actually made by blue ribbon panels right of academics from top institutions, and a lot of those academics have direct financial conflicts of interest right. They even have stakes in the in the drugs themselves. You know some universities like like Stanford have profited billions of dollars from their IP and the professors in the actual drugs. There’s a huge financial incentive of literally the people that are appointed to direct research direction.  

But zeroing and on Diabetes excuse me Alzheimer’s, which is a huge thing people need to realize. There’s research that’s becoming definitive, that actually if you push people they wouldn’t they wouldn’t push back on most researchers, where they’re calling Alzheimer’s type 3 diabetes. There’s almost nobody with Alzheimer’s right that doesn’t have pre-diabetes or diabetes, some form of of blood sugar dysregulation and blood sugar dysregulation is entirely under our control. It’s because of food.  

It also is reversible. And there’s a book called the I believe it’s called The End of Alzheimer’s Dr. Bredesen. There’s more coming out of this, but they’ve actually shown reversal of dementia and Alzheimer’s through targeted dietary interventions. Now this is not going to be talked about with your doctor and I’ve talked to a lot of people, you know oh I’ve got the best Alzheimer’s doctor for my grandparents at Harvard, or you know one of these institutions you know that that’s taking a car you know after it’s been totally crashed for a paint job you know, and they’re following a playbook of the intervention, playbook where giving you interventions is is going to make the money.  

You know there’s billions of dollars at play for some marginal drug right that’s going to help, that we’re trying to get taxpayers on the hook for these aren’t going to work. I just cannot stress this enough and please like you know it’s been a journey for me but let’s use common sense here. Chronic disease cures do not work. 

Chronic disease has only gone up because it’s not addressing the problem. The fundamental problem with Alzheimer’s, and you can go to a lot of other chronic diseases you wouldn’t expect, is blood sugar regulation. Is is caused by Cellular dysregulation in the food that we’re eating, and if you can really pin into that, you can really start reversing.  

And you know my mom recently is a reason I’m passionate about this, passed away from pancreatic cancer, and that’s really what got me amped up on this because I looked in it was very abrupt thank you and it was very abrupt 13 days from her diagnosis. She was perfectly healthy and then passed away .um oh my gosh. But yeah, but I dig I dug into it, and 90% of people with pancreatic cancer have pre-diabetes or diabetes, as my mom did, and she wasn’t served by the medical system, right. I mean she has high cholesterol, she got a stat, and she has a high glucose, she gets metformin like many Americans.  

They weren’t warning signs. You know we treat things as isolated issues, and that leads, then, to the nightmare of cancer. There’s more correlation with blood sugar dysregulation, which is controllable by food, and pancreatic cancer than smoking to lung cancer. Like cancer and Alzheimer’s, it is not random. And you know you read books by Dr. Mark Hyman, this book by Dr. Breseden on Alzheimer’s, you really start peeling down the onion. I really think this needs to be the center of how we think about health, and we need to be highly suspicious 

(40:45) when we see that, a numerical cure. We need to rightfully be more suspicious of pharma. We need to shift food more to how we think about health and just how we think about economic and how we fuel our social capital, which is really crumbling. When 25% of Americans right now are on some kind of mental health medication, you know that’s tied to this too and I’ll just say one other thing. This book Brain Energy you know really makes the case a Harvard Professor to depression and schizophrenia and mental health issues. 20% of our cells are in our brain, and when we have mass cellular dysfunction from our food, that impacts the brain much more than we understand.  

So yeah, I really think this is at the root of a lot, and I’m I’m just trying to give justice to a lot of people who are pushing this, and I’m following. But but we need to wake up on this. Can I ask you what your daily diet looks like? What do you eat? Yeah and I’m not you know I’m on a journey, too. I’m trying to do three things both for myself and absolutely my young son, who’s almost one-year-old and he starts eating.  

I think you can get 80% there both on individually and, this should be the basis of public policy, to look at the ingredients and not eat three things, any type of added sugar, any type of processed grain, and seed oils, which is soybean oil, canola oil. If you go to everything, from your hummus to your creamer to things you would never expect to your protein bar, you’re gonna see those three things. It sneaks in everywhere. And again, those processed grains turn to sugar, the sugar we all know about, but obviously sneaks in everywhere.  

And then seed oils, you’d be shocked, right. It’s canola, it’s everything, these highly inflammatory, which are are not really as much used in Europe oils, which I believe in and let’s not get political here, I totally agree with you, let’s not even talk about banning them, I think we can all agree that we should start by not subsidizing these foods tens of billions of dollars and giving handouts on government nutrition programs to buy these foods because that impacts the price for all of us. It does.  

This is so interesting. People who watch my show, know that actually people like to make fun of me for being vegan, which is a totally valid thing to mock me for, except that I’m not really vegan. I’m whole food plant-based because I’ve suffered from serious autoimmune issues in the past, and I manage it completely with a whole food plant-based diet just for all of these reasons that you just talked about, so this was fascinating to me because it is already in my in my area of interest, but I can I can literally hear and see all of the people that are part of the Liz wheeler Show community setting down their donuts and pushing that sugar away after listening to Calley.  

This was so fascinating. Thank you for the work that you do. Thank you for sitting down with us today. Guys, you can follow Calley, highly recommend that you do, on Twitter, That’s c-a-l-l-e-y-m-e-a-n-s at Calley Means. All right guys, let me know what you think. Let me let me know if you changed your mind on anything. Let me know if you’re gonna look Calley up. Thank you for watching. Thank you for listening. I’m Liz wheeler. This is The Liz wheeler Show. 

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